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I currently have a non-grounded NEMA10-50R on a 30A circuit for my dryer. I would like to replace it with a proper grounded one.

Is the right choice NEMA14-30? I have also heard people saying NEMA14-50. What is the best choice for being as future proof as possible?

At Home Depot, I can find either receptacle. But what is the right surface mounted box, similar to the current one? I am not able to find a box like this.

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    What is the size of the breaker? The breaker and the receptacle should match what the dryer needs, usually 30 amp. 30 amp circuits must have 10 gauge or larger wire. The dryer probably has neutral bonded to ground on the dryer, this will need to change also, when you switch over to 14-30. – crip659 Jul 11 '23 at 11:06
  • What wiring method is used for the rest of the run back to the panel? – ThreePhaseEel Jul 11 '23 at 18:45

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Unless you have a really weird dryer, dryers intended for use in private homes are designed for 30A circuits. NEC 110.3 requires you follow instructions and labeling, and they call out 30A circuits, so you need a 30A circuit. (or at least a 30A breaker; you're always allowed to use larger wire than the circuit requires). The 30A breaker requires a 30A socket.

So a 50A socket generally has no place on a dryer circuit.

Grounding started coming in 1956, and by 1965 all circuits were required to be grounded. At that time, the appliance industry got a waiver for dryers and ranges allowing them to be "grounded" to the neutral, arguing that neutral wire failures were rare since the machine was rarely unplugged*, and the legal wires for such a connection are soon going obsolete anyway. This resulted in a steady stream of fatalities, including many children (often having squeezed behind the dryer to retrieve something, and thus unable to "leap back" after the initial shock). So the 3-wire arrangement was finally banned in 1996.

Note that use of "/2+ground" cable was never legal (the bare ground wrapped in paper is not sufficiently insulated to be used as neutral), but many cheap installers used it anyway after stocks of non-grounded cable depleted. If this was used, the cable must be replaced with /3+ground cable.

It may be possible to justify that this circuit was pre-1996 and therefore "grandfathered". However in any case, the breaker and outlet must be correct i.e. 30A.

I strongly recommend upgrading to the 4-prong outlet, NEMA 14-30, even if you must retrofit a ground wire, or power the circuit from a GFCI breaker and label the outlet "GFCI Protected/No Equipment Ground".

This type of surface-mount receptacle is readily available in NEMA 10-30, 10-50, 14-30 and 14-50. It may have a different aesthetic appearance; most I see have a rounded top rather than squared off, but the basic design of "rectangular brown box, knockouts on bottom and bottom-back" are no problem.

Note that entire black thing in the photo, all 2 x 3 x 6" of it, is the socket. It's a surface mount socket (which one might say comes with its own very unique junction box, if you prefer to think of it that way). The back half of it is a metal frame which is surface mounted to the wall. They come in a variety of shapes - round top, jukebox, or square, so choose your aesthetic. The Leviton's (e.g. 55054) may have the exact same "metal frame that attaches to the wall", and if so, that could spare you having to mess with the cable at all (other than adding the ground).

I find Home Depot and the other big-box stores to be dismally bad at having the selection you need at a sensible price. I would expect an electrical supply house to do much better. But OTOH... that link...

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  • Thanks for confirming the receptacle type! I find the right receptacle (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-30-Amp-Industrial-Flush-Mount-Shallow-Single-Outlet-Black-R10-00278-S00/300324233) but as I said, I don’t know which surface mount box fits. I assume the normal 1-gang boxes like this (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-1-Gang-1-89-in-Box-Depth-Surface-Mount-Back-Box-White-42777-1WA/302070550) don’t … so what’s the right box? Can you comment on this as well? – divB Jul 11 '23 at 22:32
  • @divB sorry I should've made it clearer. The black thing is not a junction box. It's a socket. The whole thing is a socket. Or if you prefer, think of it as a socket which includes its own custom j-box. . The comparable is this https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-50-Amp-Single-Surface-Mounted-Single-Outlet-Black-R20-55050-P00/311373554 - actually, you might try that one because the back part attached to the wall may be *identical* which would make for an easy swap. Otherwise, any of https://www.homedepot.com/s/surface%20mount%20nema%2014-50?NCNI-5 – Harper - Reinstate Monica Jul 12 '23 at 03:39
  • Yes but that’s NEMA 14-50 and in your response you just explained I need NEMA 14-30. As a matter of fact, I just came home from HD and saw this thing there but not 14-30 version. I found this combo of 3 parts as well but didn’t buy because not sure if it’s allowed (wires comes in FMC, not NM): https://snipboard.io/aNE0Pn.jpg do these 3 work too ? – divB Jul 12 '23 at 04:15
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    Oh *forehead slap* I sure did that. I got 14-50 on the brain lol. Yeah, you want a Leviton 55054, wich is indeed a 14-30 with a three :) Home Depot doesn't seem to sell it, like I said about box stores. Hold on... maybe https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-30-Amp-Single-Surface-Mounted-Single-Outlet-Black-R20-55054-P00/311373579 – Harper - Reinstate Monica Jul 12 '23 at 04:22
  • Nice thank you!! – divB Jul 12 '23 at 06:28